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Re: GAS model outdated and inaccurate... by natway 11 y Re: GAS model outdated and inaccurate... by c.b. Re: Anxiety or something else? I have also HIGH CORTISOL by dave505 Re: What Adrenal Fatigue Really Is - General Adaptation S... by wiredgeneration Re: What Adrenal Fatigue Really Is - General Adaptation S... by natway Re: What Adrenal Fatigue Really Is - Its 3/4 Stages - NEW... by natway Re: What Adrenal Fatigue Really Is - General Adaptation S... by wiredgeneration Re: Test results came back terrible, now what? by wiredgeneration
Want all of your opinions on something. You know how a the top of the Water Fasting section they have a cautionary note about water fasting?Since all of you seem to agree that under-eating can cause of be a factor in you what guys think is AF and the symptoms of each are the 3,614 hits
Forum: Adrenal Debate
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Agreed. Ive always stated that Ive never been diagnosed with AF. Because, well the medical community doesnt recognize it. And I may very well not have AF anyway, but I know that something definitely went wrong and, from what I remember, it switched on over night. I often ponder how people are coming to the AF diagnosis. I think a lot have read the symptoms and after many years with little to no help from doctors, came to their own conclusions. Others have opted for tests like salivary testing. This may be an indicator of your hormonal levels, but how does one know that its the ... 3,300 hits
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Definitively first stages AF.Must be very carefull - like c.b. and wiredgen I was there before major crash. But did not know what it is. I was SUPER GOOD at managing multiple projects and people in the same time but in the evening I was drained. But i liked the buzz and racing thoughts until they come after me at night. I second the guys about meditation relax and read about AF.I would also add some regarding the diet - if possible see if there are foods that increase your speed of thoughts. caffeine and high carbs definitively are. but also glutamate or sulphur foods in ... 1,947 hits
Forum: Anxiety Depression Adrenal Fatigue
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Fair point dude, however unfortunatately its the nature of a public forum en all, and Natway will use whatever ammunition he can get, how many words he can try and spin doctor, no matter how invalid and unconnected to continue his crusade of disrespect to others with his pathetic threads on here.I was told by another member he accused there AF of being Malaria. But out of courtesy to you, I wont mention it again and do apologise.Nate just needs to give it up, but he wont, and unfortunately thats the real problem. I do remember pretty much most of the regular users of the AF forums ... 2,690 hits
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his crusade of disrespect to others with his pathetic threads on here.Wireds post and conversation not too long ago (before he went back and edited original post to try to cover his tracks):I dont believe AF actually exists really..PM wiredgenerationDate: 8/28/2013 12:07:48 PMAF dosent exist, its that simple.AF was a cunning ploy by NDs to capitalise on an area of medicine that was not understood or acknowledged,Re: I dont believe AF actually exists really..PM eddie57Date: 8/28/2013 1:52:02 PMOpinions vary. You sound like a person in the medical professi ... 2,751 hits
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Why? Youll just edit your old posts to try to cover up and deceive people when others try to show your hypocrisy of blasting others for thinking AF doesnt exist, but you once said the very same thing. You can screengrab all my posts because I dont go back to try to cover my tracks like you do.I also recommend you try to get plenty of calories each and every day because being anorexic will cause your brain a lot of confusion from being so depleted of fuel and that will cause you to incorrectly interpret what a lot of what people say, like thinking I think AF is now malaria from me ... 4,645 hits
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Interesting, but clearly made by someone who hasnt had AF/GAS. There are a lot of videos of that sort on youtube.This is why I prefer information from Lam, Wilson, Dr Myhill etc, as they have all had AF/GAS and recovered with their own methods, and they are real doctors. I have yet to meet or talk to ANYONE who had late stage AF/GAS and recovered with a metabolic profiling/high carb diet. It is literally impossible due to the way the endocrine system works.Enjoy your way CB but no need to keep shouting about it on every thread, you wonder why people think you are Natway? :) 7,069 hits
Forum: Adrenal Fatigue
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I know you love the caps lock key but no need for shouting :) Why not join in the dicussions on the Af forum, all your questions will be answered I have already answered your questions many times over my years on this forum. a scenario...When an AF sufferer could once take 10,000 of vitamin C, then started to become violently sick on the stuff, yet the physician continues to up the dose till the body literally gags as the substance enters ones mouth - that is harm by vitamin C, and it crashes them so hard, their adrenals become atrophied by all the stimulation, that it took ove ... 1,483 hits
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Re: My Feet Hurt by purplepixie
12 yMy feet symptoms are all separate...warts appearing over a decade ago...very rare occurance of burning toes that itch like crazy..(possible fungal or B6 deficiency)However the pain after getting up and trying to walk, heels feeling tight as hell not allowing my foot to bend, is the most recent symptom of the past year - and since suffering from bad AF.I seem to get it happen for a few days at a time...and then it goes away for a couple of weeks...then it comes back again.Is it like that for you DBLC?Did it start for you after adrenal issues flared up?Do you know your blood pota ... 3,040 hits
Forum: Nutritional Balancing AF
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Re: A bit of common sense about AF by VenusAndMars
12 yTotally feel you on ayurveda, AND on feeling worse and worse. My experience with AF is Ive been put on Adrenevive(ashwagandha/rhodiola/l theanine/siberian(NOT Korean)ginseng/skullcap) complex by Bodylogic MD. She read my cortisol saliva test as AF(coupled w/ my symptoms & saliva tested hormones) I had an immediate reaction to Adrenevive. It lasted minutes to an hr, maybe. After that 1st day, no reactions. But I take it twice a day, at aprx 8-9 mos, I felt markedly better, stronger. AF is long to treat. 6 mos to 2 yrs, I have read Lam & Wilson. 1,932 hits
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Re: Isocort by Blistering Fate
12 yMan you should try then Isocort or something (licorice root its estrogenic!) But I have to warn you, taking cortisol or something that mimmics/stimulates corticosteroids its FAR away from fixing adrenal fatigue. And I still think DHEA has more to do with libido than cortisol, and if you have low cortisol, you will have low DHEA.The basic things to actually fix adrenal fatigue are in the protocol of Wilson, the one that wrote a book. None of the things you listed cure adrenal fatigue and some make it worse. And following the Wilson or even the NB protocol for AF will only heal it if y ... 2,838 hits
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B vitamins for AF while still having infections? by dave505
12 y View Entire Thread 3Hi dr.BakkerI know B vitamins are very usefull for AF - not healing but good support,the body functioning in general, detox, mood etc. I wanted to have some for AF but wondering about the timing...Also I remember years ago in a hospital an old internist doctor gave me IV B vitamins telling me taking B vitamins by mouth NOK with infections. And that we must deal with gut infections first so that you dont feed the infections and can properly absorb the B vitamins . Unfortunately hes not practicing anymore :( and young doctors arent so much aware of that.i remember when i was ... 1,035 hits
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Have Adrenal Fatigue? No You Don't. by natway
12 y View Entire Thread 29This is a good blogpost that I mostly agree with which talks about how adrenal glands dont fatigue from stress and that AF is a bogus condition and is not excepted by conventional medicine as a diagnosis.Have Adrenal Fatigue? No You Dont.http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2013/6/4/have-adrenal-fatigue-no-you-dontIve started alerting people about this after recently changing my mind on AF because if nothing is wrong with your adrenal glands, then trying to rebuild them with supplements and stuff would be a futile effort thats wasting your money and possibly making you worse and ... 17,435 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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Re: new person here hey by nyckid10
12 yYou say that the stuff that you are intolerant to are the evil....but then say that carbs are not the evil. Thats a contradiction since carbs would feed any potential parasites and candida that one with AF could have...so eating a high carb diet would actually keep the leaky gut and inflammation going. Its important to starve the culprit and eliminate it out of your intestinal tract. Only then can the inflammation subside and stress on the body relieved. Im not saying that everyone with AF has candida or parasites....Im saying that inflammation and intestinal issues goes along with ... 1,740 hits
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Learning about AF, Copper Overload by SeattleTom
17 yHi - Since you are having phone consultations with Dr. Lam, I dont know if my sharing and recommendations would be very useful to you. It looks like you already know a great deal about recovering from AF and related conditions. I dont know what difference my information would make.Are you familiar with copper overload? Im recovering from a severe case of it, and Ive read that people with AF usually develop it. My adrenals have been doing much better for the last two years, but I was still experiencing fatigue, depression, brain fog etc., and didnt know why. I read about coppe ... 3,976 hits
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by Scoobie
17 y View Entire Thread 24How safe and effective is Hydrocortisone for AF?I have had several dr recommend this to me. My friend who suffers from severe AF is getting better with it and she is telling me to not be afraid of it.Is is safe? Do the adrenals remember how to work after you taper off?I have been through so much and am so afraid to mess anything up right now. I am on Dr. Wilsons severe AF protocol and will be adding HC tomorrow if Im brave enough.Is this wise?Thank you for any help! 34,559 hits
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Recommendations by SeattleTom
17 yI can recommend several books and websites on AF. They are listed in my other posts. Please let me know if you want me to list them for you. As you may know, Adrenal Fatigue by Dr. Wilson states that most NDs dont have much training in how to treat AF successfully. I agree with him. I can recommend my Dr. to you. She recovered from a very severe case of AF many years ago, and treated mine 14 years ago. She specializes in treating this condition.Tom 3,083 hits
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Re: stimulatory or rebuilding? by mdaman
16 ybased from what i read and my experience, stimulatory and re-build can mean varied things for an AF sufferer. those two words can be good for you or bad for you depending upon your condition. those two words basically means the same, and they are bad for you if you are in the advance stage of AF. on the other hand, they are good for you if you are in the early stages.for example, you can not use strong adrenal supplements like glandulars, lots Vit. C, and other adrenal stimulants if your AF is bad. and then again, effects varies from person to person.just my opinion. 1,086 hits
Forum: Adrenal Fatigue
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Re: Chelation Threrapy for AF? Low Cortisol BLOOD levels... by SeattleTom
16 yThe blood test for AF is not accurate, and the saliva test is. The former isnt sensitive enough to detect something as subtle as AF. Chelation (or any type of detoxification) puts a huge strain on the adrenals. I know, because after I started recovering from AF I took some supplements to help my liver detox better. They caused me to do a lot of detoxing, and this put a big strain on my adrenals for many years. A couple of years ago I took zinc to help chelate copper from my body, and this put a big strain on my adrenals as well.Tom 1,193 hits
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Walking problems and adrenal fatigue by adrenoman
16 y View Entire Thread 3Hi AllWhen I hit af I was sleeping excess hours most of the day. The few hours I wasnt sleeping I could walk around and even though extremely weak and sluggishly. Im sure everybody ex perienced this.I have just relapsed due to chronic caffeine intake and now am unable to walk properly but not in the same way when i came down with af. Now I sleep normally and during the daytime when Im awake, I cannot even stand up straight let alone walk around the house. This is diff to when first I hit af I wasnt walking because I was sleeping but when i was awake i could still walk around ... 2,130 hits
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AF, Copper Overload by SeattleTom
16 yI have never done Dr. Wilsons nutritional balancing program, but know a lot about recovering from AF. I know from my own experience that nutrition is a very important part of the recovery process. He knows a lot about AF, so Id recommend trying the program. You mentioned heavy metals in your post. Do you know if you have copper overload? People with AF usually do. To learn more about this condition, and how to recover from it, you might want to read Why Am I Always So Tired? by Ann Louise Gittleman. Tom 5,467 hits
Forum: Adrenal Fatigue
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Re: Has my adrenal fatigue turned into hypothyroidism as ... by powertool4
16 yOh okay. is the canary club a company that ships out for adrenal fatigue? I think $99 is pretty reasonable but what i am concerned with is how to treat or cure AF. Apparently my hypothyroid issue will go away if i take care of the AF.. and right now i have tried vitamin C and changing my diet and it did absolutely nothing for my symptoms. The only thing that has worked is ginseng (tried siberian and korean red ginseng).. and it works pretty well but I am not sure exactly if its a cure or a temporary feeling. I have low bp and a low body temperature that jumps up sometimes high and poundi ... 13,291 hits
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AF Questions, Ideas by SeattleTom
15 yHi Konnor - Do you know how severe your AF is, and how long youve had it? Have you taken the saliva test for it? Im asking because I learned a few years ago that people with AF usually develop copper overload as well. I found that I had it, and for a few months I took a lot of supplements to reduce my copper and increase my zinc. I just re-read some of your posts, and noticed some copper overload symptoms in them. It may be a missing piece in your health puzzle. I can recommend a book and some Internet articles on the topic if you are interested. Also, the AF forum has some ... 12,249 hits
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Help with test results by DudewithIBS
15 y View Entire Thread 3Hi,Ive been chelating to remove heavy metals for 9 months now (Mercury and Aluminum mostly, very high both). Recently I read about AF and many symptoms seem to match with mine, actually so accurately that I started thinking maybe AF is part of the reason Ive felt so chronically crappy over the past years.So I ordered several tests while also testing my temperature everyday for 2 weeks now. The temperature tests indicate that my basal and average temps are lower than optimal (thyroid maybe) and they also have a wide daily variation which may indicate that AF is also involved.M ... 1,443 hits
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Saliva Test for AF by SeattleTom
16 yHi woodsgirl - It was good to get your reply. For the saliva test, you have two options. 1. Find a ND who is good at treating AF. He/she can give you the saliva test, help you interpret its results, and recommend a supplement program for you. This is not always easy, as most NDs (including the first one I consulted) dont receive good training in treating AF. James Wilson discusses this in his book Adrenal Fatigue. You might want to ask for referrals for a ND in your area who is good at treating AF. If this doesnt work I can refer you to my ND, who recovered from a severe ca ... 1,909 hits
Forum: Adrenal Fatigue Hypothyroid
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Re: swollen eyes. help! by thelaughingdogs
14 yI know everyone is in a different stage of AF. My AF this time was constant high cortisol for 3 years. Although sometimes when I did start bringing it down I would have a little tireness in the morning. I am not sure what my BP was when I was high cort, I wish I had checked it. Now that my cort is more down its low. Anyway you might not have high cortisol but maybe its the lymph system and detox system is slow because of the AF. Let me know if you figure it out. I have been taking lymph draining herbs and I dont see much effect on the fluid that is left around my eye. I am going to star ... 10,226 hits
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Re: Toxic relationships by newedit617
14 yGosh, that is really tough. I feel for you and sympathize with your situation.Its hard to tell you to officially break up and cut off all communication with him. However, I know that stress is the worst thing you can do for adrenal fatigue, and relationships can be a big source of stress. From his perspective it would be difficult to understand how awful AF can make you feel. (On my better days, even I dont understand or remember how bad the fatigue feels!) So I cant really blame him for being frustrated. But its not your fault you have AF, so you cant be blamed, either, ... 1,246 hits
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Re: Great book by hope4myadrenals
14 yJust got this book in the mail, myself! Another great book is Recovery from CFS- 50 Personal Stories by Alex Barton. I am always on the hunt for real life success stories, and this book is absolutely inspirational. A majority of the people featured in the book who have chronic fatigue have AF symptoms as bad as I have. These people just never put the AF label on their illness. Its intriguing, some people used SSRIs, and a lot of them were healed after retraining the circuitry in their brains using various programs. I would add this book to the AF Reccomended books in the FAQ here but i ... 995 hits
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Pre-ejactulation. Is this AF related in any way. Is anyon... by carlosa507
14 y View Entire Thread 8I have noticed for the last month that Im having pre ejaculation issues. This has never ever happened before in my life (I am now 29). But I dont know if its psychological or AF related. I feel like it could be psychological. I dont know exactly how the female orgasm functions other than the fact that a female can multiple orgasms, but I know for a male its a one shot deal and then a recuperation period. Does anyone out there with AF have or had any issues with pre ejaculation? Or if female, have you had any issues with what would resemble pre ejaculation for males? Sorry about th ... 1,945 hits
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Re: Personal experience at the Clymer Center or the Fibro... by hope4myadrenals
14 yI will check out the reviews... I really want to be convinced. In my case, it was not just emotional trauma that led to me getting sick. I am pretty certain I do have the genetic predisposition, plus Ive conscientiously developed to perfection the personality traits that lead to one getting AF. But in my case, a lot of physical stressors also led to me actually getting AF. (Such as hormonal IVF, birth control, going off an opiate cold turkey, and being far too thin my whole life, not having good nutrition, parathyroid problems). All that to say that because I feel like my AF is a combo of ... 6,321 hits
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Good ND for AF by SeattleTom
14 yHi Paulette - My Dr. is very good at helping people recover from AF. Her name is Rose Mary Camren, and she recovered from a very serious case of AF before she became a Dr. of Natural Medicine. She helped me recover from my very serious case of AF years ago. Her website is www.thenaturaldr.com, and her e-mail address is rmc@thenaturaldr.com. She is based in Seattle, and does phone and e-mail consultations. She also mails out adrenal and other supplements twice a week. Tom 6,972 hits
Forum: Adrenal Fatigue
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Re: a month of de -stressing.. how do I go about it? by thelaughingdogs
14 yI used to do a lot of cleanses, detoxes and LFs and I must say the last five months I started thinking they are probably rough on peeps with AF. I started searching in the LF forum and found about 4 people saying the the Liver Flush caused an adreanal crash. I tried to go after my candida thinking it would take stress off of my adrenals but it didnt work. I tried so many things and I would kill it off but it would come right back in a couple of days. I finally started doing home made kefir and kombucha and it helped and then my candida progressivly got better along with my AF getting bett ... 2,541 hits
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Lays Potato chips and popcorn by carlosa507
14 y View Entire Thread 9I of course fight Hashis and Celiac Disease along with AF and lyme. Im really getting desperate for more foods and snacks though. I do a gluten free diet but also MUST eat protein with my carbs or else i get weird symptoms. Are Lays potato chips ok for gluten free and for AF? Anybody have any experience with these, especially you guys that have AF?What about popcorn? Man i miss popcorn so much. Everytime i go to the mall and walk around the movie theater i smell the popcorn and crave it so badly but never indulge 4,176 hits
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Re: Hey guys my update. Need some help by healthyartist
14 ySounds good Natway. Gupta is still treating me well... Gradually improving daily. Sounds good about the herbal formula. The only thing that I might suggest, depending on your degree of AF, is to try each herb individually and make sure that they agree with you. I wonder if your chiro can give you samples of them seperately. Im definitely pro- ashwaghanda for all stages of AF, but Im not sure about the other adaptogens. But, if you are in earlier stage AF, they might be fine. Let us know how it goes! 2,051 hits
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Re: Adrenal fatigue, low progesterone, low DHEA by SeattleTom
14 yYou might want to read the FAQ section of the AF forum if you havent already. Have you read Adrenal Fatigue by James Wilson? You also might want to check out articles on AF and related topics on www.drlwilson.com, www.drlam.com and www.arltma.com. Get a saliva test to find out whether or not you have AF. It is more accurate than the blood test. Post the results on this forum, and others can help you interpret the results. Tom 2,052 hits
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Re: Where to begin????? by natway
14 yYep, looks like you got AF and thyroid issues (they usually go hand-n-hand). Did you have a lot of stress, anxiety, emotional traumas leading up and right before your AF? If so, the cause of your AF and other problems is whats called Amygdala Hijack. Go to youtube and check out Gupta retraining and The Linden Method. (both Brits!)Diet wise, Im a proponent of the Palieo caveman diet and gluten-free. Its how man ate until technology came along and screwed us all up.Looks like you need to use more sea salt. 5,301 hits
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Whats the difference between CFS and AF? by Sjm400
14 y View Entire Thread 4I have had my cortisol checked and it confirms that I have AF but how do i know if I have CFS as a lot of the symptoms are the same. My illness originally started with a EBV like illness then I didnt recover properly. I was tested for glandular fever (i think that is what they call EBV in UK) at the time but it came back negative. I have noticed that more people post on the AF than the ME/CFS forums so I guess the posters on here with symptoms and lives similar to mine consider themselves to have AF and not CFS? I am confused! 1,576 hits
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Re: What exactly do I have, and how do I treat it? by Klauss
14 yI have AF. I have exactly the same symptoms. AF affects the whole systems including neurotransmitters. I am much better now but still have not gotten my emotions back. I also do not have adrenaline rush when angry, for example. I just do not get angry anymore.You need to do 4 point cortisol salivary test. Its less expensive than neurotransmitters. If you have AF, this explains all the symptoms.Klauss. 2,400 hits
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Re: Can you help me make sense of my test results? (Sabre) by Klauss
14 yIn my, non expert opinion, you have Adrenal Fatigue beginning of stage 3.Low Cortisol morning, elevated towards the evening.Low normal DHEA-s. (pregnenolone stealing check the diagram).Low sodium. (hormone aldosterone responsible for this)The symptoms you described also point to AF.You may try pupil test. Most probably you will see typical AF reaction. You need vitamins, minerals, drink half teaspoon of sea salt dissolved in a glass of water.Ideally you need a doc who knows how to treat AF. Klauss. 1,064 hits
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HV's Adrenal Tonic, good stuff! by SwedeOne
14 y View Entire Thread 15I have AF and have tried other herbs that did nothing or made me feel worse.I got HVs adrenal tonic the other day but didnt try it because of how supplements usually dont do what I would like.I didnt take the 1/2 tsp at first because I dont know how something will work in my body.Instead, 1/4 tsp in water and after feeling fatigued this morning, within 15 minutes, I felt clearer headed with some energy. Im not ready to run a marathon but along with the usual supplments for AF, this really helped!I dont know if I am allowed to say that about a product or HVs pro ... 1,887 hits
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